Lindsayanng Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 So this is weird. I read online that if you put 10. or 20. infront of the attribute group name (not the public one) then you can control the order of the attribute groups. I just tried this and it has not worked. (yes, I have cache turned off). If you go here: LINK TO PRODUCT PAGEYou can see that Pole Diameter is below Color because it's alphabetical order. In the back end if you look at the product attributes they are names like this: 10.pole_diameter 20.color I have also tried setting pole_diameter to 00 and aa as well and set color to 99 and z - no change on the front end.**** EDITED TO NOTE******Just tried changing the PUBLIC name of the attribute group and THAT actually changed the order in which they display, which is backwards to what I read. That does not look right and do not want that to be there, do you have any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justdogwalking.com Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 I solved the attribute ordering problem by purchasing a module from Changeo it saves so much time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindsayanng Posted July 17, 2011 Author Share Posted July 17, 2011 yea.. well, I am a little annoyed at the number of paid modules there are out there that you might need to make this a function cart. It seems a lot of the module makers really don't get the whole open source community thing yet. Yea, its a lot of work to put in to create modules but its for the betterment of the product as a whole so that not just the core people are doing all of the "unpaid" work/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justdogwalking.com Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I do not have a problem paying for special features ( though attribute order should be core feature). if you are developing prestashop to make money - there should be no problem investing to get optimum performance for your needs. In the overall scale of things the profit from your prestashop should make purchasing the odd module a no brainer. I cannot go live with my shop as the basic PS has a very poor shipping module - not useable for drop shippingwith multiple suppliers. I am now investing $100's to get a bespoke module written, though I feel I will be lucky if I make more than $5k per year. but I can't get my shop off the ground without the module. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindsayanng Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 justdogwalking - in my opinion, that is the exact type of mentality that kills open source projects. People definitely get hired by clients and use free modules, but the other side of the coin is that those people who are also paid by clients to develop a website are going to give any innovations that come in the face of a client hire back to the community. That's the beauty of it and personally if a client is paying you to develop a website and part of that payment is to create a special feature or addon then it would be walking an ethical line to turn around and make a profit off of something that the client paid for your time to make in that way (unless you expand on that further and added more of your own time than paid time to finish the product for production) How would you feel if you paid hundreds to get this module built and then the money you put in to the module ends up being the developers biggest cash cow and they actually spent none of their own time developing it because it was all paid? You might might $5k per year, but that dev can make that in a month off of the time he spent on your project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justdogwalking.com Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Hi LindsayanngI am the client and I have no problem with the developer making more money from the work they did for me. In my case they are adapting an existing module and retain the copyright. I could have purchased the copyright but I saw no point - I am a merchant not developer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindsayanng Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 Typically they are not adapting, just using the code flat out. adapting is different. And yes, you do not own the copyright and legally its ok, which is why I mentioned an ETHICAL line. You are not a developer and are a business person and therefor might not really grasp the concept of open source entirely. The whole idea is for the community to build up the application into the best it can be. If developers continue to make addons that are only paid then the application will never truly grow because the core developers will have to either buy into the application that they want to include in the new release (could be VERY expensive) or they have to start from scratch to create the same feature that has already been made by someone else.. Not to mention that someone else built it off of the FREE existing core application. I have nothing against paid addons for certain things, but the fact that 1) there's no single place to find all addons and 2) people are selling the most RIDICULOUS things as "addons" that should simply be added to the repository to help expand the uses of this core. Fact of the matter - the core group of developers who put this together are the ones who are getting screwed, not me as a developer because i CAN develop these things and charge the client more for it because it's considered "uniquely custom" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justdogwalking.com Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Hi I hear what you say but if the core product does not have the functionality one needs to get up and running and despite many requests over the 9months no one within the core PS circle seems interested then I have to pay to get up and running. Otherwise I have to just give up. Whilst I appreciate there are the principles around open source - but I am afraid commercial reality has to kick in from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindsayanng Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 Do you hear what you are saying?! You are saying that it's the fault of the people that are WORKING FOR FREE that the core stuff hasn't been integrated, yet there are people out there who have already done the work and have no contributed to the core because they want to make money! Commercial reality has little place in open source when it comes to contribution. Like i said, i typically have no problem with some addons and modules being paid. 99% of the time if the community is a good and solid one then they release the addon free but have paid version which comes with a few extra features and/or support. I mean come on!! Look at wordpress. You can get the most complex modules and nicely designed themes (thousands of them) for free because people like to contribute. Many of the top used modules have been integrated in to the core which leaves the wordpress core team the availability to look more towards the future than the present (whats already been created that they need to recreate because the dev. has released it as paid). Also, i'm willing to bet you use FireFox as your browser.. Do you?? THAT was developed as an open source browser and is expanded beyond one could imagine via addons that are for the most part FREEIt's the capitalist thought of "i must make money off of everything single thing I do otherwise it's not worth my time" thought that WILL kill open source and make these projects entirely unavailable.. and guess what? If that happens you will be paying upwards of $10,000 for a custom shopping cart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justdogwalking.com Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Come off your high horseI do not use firefoxI have no idea what wordpress is about.I just want a simple shop that will do what I want Open source is fine but it has its limitations - particularly where commercial solutions are concerned so a bit of mix and match is fine for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindsayanng Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 Wow.. way to be a prick.. there's no high horse.. You want what a simple cheap shop will give you, then fine.. My closing point - don't comment on something you clearly know nothing about... If you don't know what open source even is or what it has been used to build (the single most commonly used website platform for one) then you really can't comment on what makes an open source platform successful and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justdogwalking.com Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Hi This is my last word as I think this is a futile argument. I don't have enough years left to live. ( being a silver surfer)Prestshop will never be totally open source no matter what you say. By all means campaign for Open Source but do it where it might make a difference.I do not think it will be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindsayanng Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 Wow.. a lot of insightful words coming from someone who doesn't know what open source is. Prestashop already is ENTIRELY OPEN SOURCE.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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