TropischBruin Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 Topic about the PS tax issue seen by some as a bug and by others as a feature request.Lets try to pinpoint on what the issue is and what needs to be done to get PS TAX compatible for European and World use.I will try to find relevent info in other topics and gather them here, any help is usefull.Please only PM me with the relevant TAX related issue information.If you PM me with questions about installations I will concider this a request for work which I would charge you for.Please use the English language in you reply's so we can all follow and understand what you are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthieu Biart Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Hi TropischBruin!Thank you for creating such a topic. This was really needed and I was about to do so.It seems that the german community already had a good look on the situation and even suggested some code fixes. See that topic for instance: Was ändern für EU Rechtssicherheit?Unfortunatly we do not understand german and so are not able to target the issue.I mean, of course we can understand source code, but what is really needed is explanation about what it SHOULD do (and not about what it does).'cause if we "stupidly" copy-paste this code into the PrestaShop sofware without understanding what it should do, when something will go wrong, we won't be able to fix it.Moreover, knowing the complete soft, we'll be able to see potential collateral damages in thoses fixes once we'll know better about their purpose.So if anybody who's understanding german is reading around, could he please translate to us this topic?Thank you in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthieu Biart Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 From that feature request "Important Feature Request: Product - Tax" it looks like a first step would be:1. to display everywhere on the shop included and excluded tax prices (including confirmation emails)2. when tax applies, display how much it representsEdit:There is other feature requests (all duplicates) asking about it too (which shows two things: 1. That nobody made a search before submitting a new feature request 2. This feature is really needed):http://www.prestashop.com/bug_tracker/view/1598/http://www.prestashop.com/bug_tracker/view/901/http://www.prestashop.com/bug_tracker/view/457/http://www.prestashop.com/bug_tracker/view/203/http://www.prestashop.com/bug_tracker/view/197/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropischBruin Posted April 21, 2009 Author Share Posted April 21, 2009 Thanks for replying with so much info!As I can read, and in most cases, understand German I will have a look somewhere today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Egerton Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Hi TropischBruinlet me know if you need any input ref UK tax legislation, although I believe this will be largely the same of other EU countiesI agree with Matthieu that the first priority would be the ability to state prices inclusive or exclusive of VAT. Where administrator wants prices exclusive of VAT, the ability to also specify if prices inc VAT should also be shown in brackets below the main price on the frontoffice. Orders, emails should show vat separate as required and ideally include the VAT number as an option on invoices (Should be able to store VAT/Tax number on customers account details)I also think the ability to handle VAT between EU member states should be quite high. This is where for example prestashop France purchase from my UK store, they should be able to say they are VAT registered and if so, then no VAT is charged but if they do not say they are VAT registered and supply a valid format vat number, then they are billed VAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthieu Biart Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 Hi Dave! I agree with Matthieu that the first priority would be the ability to state prices inclusive or exclusive of VAT. Where administrator wants prices exclusive of VAT, the ability to also specify if prices inc VAT should also be shown in brackets below the main price on the frontoffice. Orders, emails should show vat separate as required and ideally include the VAT number as an option on invoices (Should be able to store VAT/Tax number on customers account details) Ok, good to know that I'm on the right path. I also think the ability to handle VAT between EU member states should be quite high. This is where for example prestashop France purchase from my UK store, they should be able to say they are VAT registered and if so, then no VAT is charged but if they do not say they are VAT registered and supply a valid format vat number, then they are billed VAT This feature is interesting (we already know it) but personaly, I don't think that we'll include it in the next alpha release.Whatever, it is still good to know your concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropischBruin Posted April 21, 2009 Author Share Posted April 21, 2009 Hi TropischBruinI also think the ability to handle VAT between EU member states should be quite high. This is where for example prestashop France purchase from my UK store, they should be able to say they are VAT registered and if so, then no VAT is charged but if they do not say they are VAT registered and supply a valid format vat number, then they are billed VAT Even if you charche VAT to a customer, if he does not need to pay VAT he can get it back via the TAX departmend in his/her country.At least, this is how it's done in The Netherlands.I agree with Matthieu that this more a feature than an issue atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropischBruin Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 San Diego, from the German forum, offert his/her help to get me the right information in English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthieu Biart Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Well, thank San Diego very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthieu Biart Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Please have a look on the last commit which concerns this issue ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthieu Biart Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Things are getting better!You can now choice if you want included, excluded or both included and excluded tax on the displayed price on your Front Office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disarci Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Tks for this thread,this feature: This feature is interesting (we already know it) but personaly, I don’t think that we’ll include it in the next alpha release. Whatever, it is still good to know your concerns. is really usefull, for us that use PS in european community:need:tva number in registrationif possible verify the eu-tvaremove the tva if check is ok.Italian community will be happy for this, also if it'll be in 1.3 ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stig Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Hi TropischBruinI also think the ability to handle VAT between EU member states should be quite high. This is where for example prestashop France purchase from my UK store, they should be able to say they are VAT registered and if so, then no VAT is charged but if they do not say they are VAT registered and supply a valid format vat number, then they are billed VAT Even if you charche VAT to a customer, if he does not need to pay VAT he can get it back via the TAX departmend in his/her country.At least, this is how it's done in The Netherlands.I agree with Matthieu that this more a feature than an issue atm. I think this is an issue, not just a feature. To sell to businesses within the EU you must be able to remove the VAT if the buying company provides you with their VAT number. Where the store sells to businesses and to end users, there needs to be the facility to make the differentiation for VAT, so that the end user is charged VAT, but the business (with a valid VAT number) buys without VAT.To expect the EU business to pay VAT and then go to the trouble of reclaiming the VAT via the Tax department in his/her country is just fantasy. The business buyer will simply buy from another shop who sells to him without VAT, rather than jump through the 'red tape' of reclaiming via the Tax office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bambi Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Hi,Is there a solution to what Stig suggested, that is adding a field in the registration form for VAT number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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